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21 comments

1 Randall Gross  Sun, Jan 1, 2012 11:11:50am

Thanks

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jan 1, 2012 11:12:58am

Aminah, I shot you an email.

3 EiMitch  Sun, Jan 1, 2012 11:22:15am

This is a good idea.

Its not going to change the bigoted minds of wild-eyed zealots who insist that only faith in god can keep people from becoming child-raping serial killers. And I seriously doubt its going to convince anyone to renounce religion. But if it can help get the majority to accept us atheists as normal people, just as the majority now support gay marriage rights, then that is good enough.

4 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 1, 2012 11:23:35am

re: #2 Sergey Romanov

Aminah, I shot you an email.

Got it and updated. Sorry!

5 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jan 1, 2012 11:35:49am

re: #4 CuriousLurker

Got it and updated. Sorry!

(((Aminah)))

6 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jan 1, 2012 11:38:34am

I’d like to also nominate Charles.

7 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 1, 2012 11:40:47am

I think maybe Gus should be added for his Google Fu and his ability post informative Pages at the speed of greased lightning.

Now that I think about it, with a few exceptions I’m not even 100% sure who all the confirmed atheists are.

Oh, wait—I have two others!

Obdicut for his encyclopedic knowledge, indefatigable debating skills, and ability to empathize & converse with believers in a constructive way.

b_sharp for always showing kindness and being ready to lend a helping hand. He’s another who’s able to talk about religion without going on the attack or being insulting.

That ability to talk to believers in a positive way is a really important quality IMO, because when people feel they’re under attack they tend to shut down and stop listening, going on the counter-attack instead. I’m pretty sure you atheists know a LOT about that since you get attacked with regularity yourselves.

8 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 1, 2012 11:44:09am

re: #6 Sergey Romanov

I’d like to also nominate Charles.

I would’ve nominated him too, but he’s one of the people I’m not 100% sure is an atheist…On more than one occasion I’ve assumed that others were and I turned out to be wrong.

9 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jan 1, 2012 11:46:55am

re: #8 CuriousLurker

Yeah, assumptions like those can turn out to be wrong. Still, IIRC Charles had some words of praise for Dawkins’ book, so I think of him as an atheist. Only he can tell, of course ;)

10 Gus  Sun, Jan 1, 2012 1:45:08pm

Thanks {{{Curious Lurker}}}! And for Sergey.

11 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 1, 2012 3:05:36pm

I applaud your efforts, CL. But when a majority of people think you can’t be a real American without some kind of religious belief, I don’t see any real progress any time soon.

*smooch* anyway.

12 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jan 1, 2012 4:24:13pm

Nice thought, but honestly I don’t think most atheists want recognition because they are atheists, any more than you want specific recognition for being a “good” Muslim.

13 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jan 1, 2012 5:09:06pm

re: #12 Naso Tang

Nice thought, but honestly I don’t think most atheists want recognition because they are atheists, any more than you want specific recognition for being a “good” Muslim.

Yes.

14 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 1, 2012 5:28:11pm

re: #12 Naso Tang

Nice thought, but honestly I don’t think most atheists want recognition because they are atheists, any more than you want specific recognition for being a “good” Muslim.

It’s not about atheists wanting or needing recognition—I’m fairly certain most quite comfortable with their choice and don’t need it—but rather about non-atheists recognizing & appreciating the humanitarian efforts made by atheists that benefit everyone, believer & non-believer alike. It all goes back to righteousness (justice, morality, etc.) not being the exclusive province of the religious. Or, in the case of believers, righteousness not being the exclusive province of one faith or another.

15 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 1, 2012 5:31:33pm

Thanks CL, but I’m not sure doing what everyone here does on a regular basis whether they believe or not is special.

I do agree with your choice of Sergey, Obdi and Thanos as exemplary examples of atheism in action.

16 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 1, 2012 5:32:08pm

re: #14 CuriousLurker

It’s not about atheists wanting or needing recognition—I’m fairly certain most quite comfortable with their choice and don’t need it—but rather about non-atheists recognizing & appreciating the humanitarian efforts made by atheists that benefit everyone, believer & non-believer alike. It all goes back to righteousness (justice, morality, etc.) not being the exclusive province of the religious. Or, in the case of believers, righteousness not being the exclusive province of one faith or another.

I like that explanation.

17 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jan 1, 2012 5:39:43pm

re: #15 b_sharp

I understand the argument underlying this post. Still I’m uneasy of the very association of atheism and whatever else I do (‘atheism in action’). The history-related activities of mine (which are not limited to the Holocaust-related topics) have got nothing to do with my lack of belief in deities. Again, I understand the point, but the association arises by itself.


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(That said, all 5 authors of the debunking are not religious and are skeptical in relation to deities, though some do not like the atheist label. Take it for what it’s worth.)

18 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Jan 1, 2012 6:43:01pm

re: #17 Sergey Romanov

It’s an interesting problem. Clearly, atheists have a very bad negative rap in the US— and probably in a lot of other places. However, even though a lot of those critics posit that negativity in terms of consequences— they claim that atheists lack a moral sense or behave badly in some way— I don’t actually think that’s the criticism. I don’t think if you took the average person who distrusts atheists and showed them data proving atheists have as good or better morality than the religious, or if you told them about some atheists doing great work in the world, that it would actually make them less antagonistic towards atheists. I think that what bothers them really is the atheism itself, the separation from the community of the religious.

I think most people who are distrustful or hostile to atheists, on being presented with an atheist who did cool shit, would say, “That’s great, but he’d be even better, do even more, if he accepted god.”

The only religious people I can imagine actually being fundamentally okay with atheism are those who think that god doesn’t actually care about religious activity and/or devotion.

CL, you think, don’t you, that active religion— as in, actively doing things that are religious— is beneficial to you, right, that it enriches you, as well as being important to god?

19 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Jan 1, 2012 7:07:04pm

And I’m heading to bed, but I’ll check in the morning.

20 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 1, 2012 7:37:35pm

re: #18 Obdicut

CL, you think, don’t you, that active religion— as in, actively doing things that are religious— is beneficial to you, right, that it enriches you, as well as being important to god?

I think it’s beneficial to me and enriches me, yes. I don’t know if it’s important to God…the concept of God in Islam is that of a force/entity that’s completely self-sufficient & self-sustaining. I can’t think of any specific instance where we’re told to do anything for any reason other than our own benefit (or the benefit of society at large, the environment, etc.)

I guess what I’m trying to say is that what I do or don’t do is to my own benefit or detriment, so presumably it would only be important to God in a way that’s similar to it being important to me that my son make good choices in life—i.e. he’s part of me and I brought him into the world, so I want what’s best for him and have tried to guide him with the hope that he’ll avoid making bad decisions and suffering the consequences. Nonetheless, it’s his life and he has to make his own choices.

Sheesh, that was kind of a tough question. I’d never really thought about it before.

21 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 1, 2012 7:58:22pm

re: #18 Obdicut

I think most people who are distrustful or hostile to atheists, on being presented with an atheist who did cool shit, would say, “That’s great, but he’d be even better, do even more, if he accepted god.”

You’re probably right. *sigh*


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